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the 2015 it is our answer to backlog. there's not a plan b. this is plan a, b, c, d, f. >> glad to come up -- >> more importantly, we need to understand better, what is our long-term annual commitment to a program of this magnitude? i realize there are parameters that might change that, court rulings, scope of benefits. we need to better understand it if in fact we provide fair but effective oversight to an i.t. program of this size. mr. chairman, you have been awfully generous, and i know secretary murrow is dying for me to ask him a question. >> i'm sure he is deeply disappointed. >> he is always neglected in these hearings and i have ensured him not to take it personally. i'll follow up with some audit questions in writing. mr. secretary, thank you, and thank you to your entire team. >> secretary shinseki, thank you for being here and thank you for your staff being here, and this hearing is now concluded. >> good afternoon, everybody. earlier today i was briefed by my homeland security team on the events in boston. we're continuing to monitor and respond to the situation as it up folds
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